Issues regarding player AncientGreekRenowned

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He accuses people of somthing (mostly corruption) with arguments that are taken out of context and the context deliberately ignored, or vague argumend where he then gives a reason why he doesn’t want to elaborate (see A discussion about corruption / Selective targetting of individuals and/or corporations - #27 by AncientGreekRenowned ff.), and if that reason ins’t there anymore he just leaves the conversation.

I waited very long and gave him many chances, but the recent action have it shown again:
→ He is a troll that only wants to annoy others and brings way more harm than good to the games community as a whole.

(Or he is a child with no idea what he is actually doing)

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22

I hope all the insults here are correctly flagged and treated accordingly. These individuals shown up and messed the topic, they do not net contribute positively to the community. I hope they would be getting some advicement from the devs to stop their toxic behavior and construct something better, at least in the web forum.

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My last response for you:

You accused people of being corrupt, and demanded a different post to elaborate. You got that post and refused to elaborate.

Your other claims als are extremely vague and you didn’t elaborate on them either. So they basically have no content, and the bit of content that is there has no facts backing it.

And other claims (banning from private discord servers) have nothing to do with the game or developers.
If somebody invites you to their party and then throws you out because of bad behavior are you going to the police to complain about them?

But when somebody has something against you, you demand them to provide massive amounts of prove for their arguments, and then either just say that the delivered evidence doesn’t count or you just ignore the topic or just leave the chat and come back later to repeat the whole cycle again…

And the problem is that that is not once or only sometimes. The vast majority of communication / discussions goes like this.

And then there also is general trolling, be it in government (for example Issues regarding player AncientGreekRenowned - #12 by SLKLS or closing down a planet “for fun”) or chats (for example “clowning”)

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24

oh… also I don’t need you to make a post for me… I can write posts from scratch myself. I flagged it accordingly as Inappropiated, Off-topic or Harassment (I don’t remember it well)

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They’re not insults, they’re genuine grievances backed up with evidence and examples.

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26

I’m sorry, but the measure being put forward is not explained enough. This is harming my communication in game chats with other particulars, specially people that are not already in Discord servers. I see this measure totally unfair and unjustified, given that it comes to a bunch of guys harassing here with insults and discalifications over a topic made exactly for it.

I demand a clarification on this. My corporation is studying raising a collective claim if things are not restored quickly for us.

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Hello, semi-active player here. Context: I am a member of MUSK. I’m not here to argue about anything that happened here. Some of what’s been posted is not defensible and I won’t pretend otherwise, but some of it really isn’t a big deal in my opinion and it sounds like you guys are winy babies, BUT I’m not here to be dramatic right now.

What I’d push back on is the punishment. A global mute? Knottly said it earlier in this thread that they don’t think it should happen, and they didn’t have to say that. I think if someone is going to get a global mute there should be a time listed and a warning if conduct doesn’t change it’ll be significantly longer. And it should apply to everyone, not just AGR. I’ve been called a N*zi just for saying “hello” in chat because I have the scary “MUSK” tag in front of my name.

I’d also like to ask that MUSK not be treated as a single actor. I’ve seen the post of people looking to get MUSK members banned. Most of us have nothing to do with any of this, and as a semi-active player myself, I would rather the temperature come down than go up.

Lastly, I have never experienced or witnessed any form of discrimination from AGR. One of the reasons I joined MUSK was because of how diverse the people are here, from across the globe, all kinds of professions. I became friends with AGR because we both have interests in space and scifi, and enjoyed the information he had from his studies in physics and astrophysics.

So yeah. While I can’t understand what the context behind everything he’s done or said, especially because I’m a newer player, I do believe there is a lot of pearl-clutching in this forum. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER

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So you don’t want to argue about stuff but then say things like “you guys are winy babies”, “I have never experienced or witnessed any form of discrimination from AGR” (I guess you don’t read many chats) and “there is alot of pearl-clutching in this forum”

I would ask you to consider the possibility that before AGR got that active in the chats that the most discussions anything really had was about ship sales and gateways. Then the EUU drama unfolded and once that, then the SF issue occurred - then at some point after that AGR started to appear on my radar screen with mostly incoherent rants about some senior players that I had worked with for years and never had a problem with. I asked them for support for their charges and they never produced anything other than other incoherent rants. This was all in the Danakil chats - for a while I would counter anything he posted on Danakil until we came to an agreement that if they were quiet on Danakil I would be quiet on Danakil.

But I have seen nothing but nastiness from AGR - and I consider their running for parliament on planets where I am the only person on the planet to be griefing - and I only play in worlds/games were griefers are banned because they are toxic.

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I don’t think this is MUSK getting treated as a single actor - rather, it’s MUSK getting (legitimately, IMO) treated as a group of people who deliberately and overtly associate with an annoying troll that wastes people’s time and makes the game less fun. And you’re (also legitimately, imo) getting social consequences for that choice of yours.

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yes, there is pearl-clutching happening. And like I said, I’m a newer player, and I don’t know all the stuff that he’s been embroiled in from before, that’s why I said I can’t understand the context behind everything he’s done or said.

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As I said, I’m a newer player and almost from the very beginning without even knowing anything about the game’s history it’s assumed by you that I have deliberately associated with a troll to make the game less fun, and you have decided that I deserve social consequences for joining up with someone who was nice to me.

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Discord Link to you joining the game
Discord Link to you beginning your dissing of SHAITR
13 messages later (2 of them yours)
Still feels weird to me that you joined the game, IMMEDIATELY joined MUSK, then IMMEDIATELY began spouting the same platform as their leader…

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Whether or not something is “pearl clutching” is irrelevant. The allowed behaviours in this game and community is dictated by the Community Guidelines and the Terms of Service. Plenty of evidence and examples have been provided of AGR violating these (both here in and the topic AGR created).

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34

I agree with you there and also support that view but the problem is that 1. AGR is the leader of MUSK and thus representing the corp, and 2. AGR is by far the most active member in public so basically all people see from MUSK is him and his actions. And another member also didn’t behave well which isn’t helping the image of the corp…
It is easy to get a bad image but hard to earn a good one, and if most of the corp members have no public image at all only the bad image is left.

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Exactly, why did you start with the endless spam about corruption and all that?

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Just Harassment to expulse me from everywhere after I started to ask for Shaitr’s motions and activities. Ofc he blocked me the first and also started saying bad things towards us. And I am tired of these bullies, devs should do something to establish a precedent now on the kind of conducts they want for the game to replicate.

We honestly feel like the weak ones here after all that noise on channels to ban/mute me and MUSK. And ofc, the consecuences of it are here Selective targetting of individuals and/or corporations - #77 by Rinoic

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Here is the official statement on the issue. We think enough on this topic has been said, everyone had ample time to way in, which is why we will close the topics.

You presented your case and allegations, but failed to provide substance. On the contrary, we received many reports where you overstepped the rules (personal attacks, slurs, unsubstanciated accusations). Given that I warned you previously in a private message on Discord we will leave the global in-game mute intact until September 1st. This is also your final warning. If you keep on inciting the community you will be banned without further notice.

Please note that this is not only about you. We will hold everyone accountable with the same standards.

I want to take this opportunity (again) to remind everyone of the rules:

We are lucky enough to have a very open, friendly, and helpful community. All we ask of you is not to disturb the peace with personal attacks or other toxic behavior. We trust you to know what that encompasses.

In the past (and present) the community of Prosperous Universe was and is one of the friendliest we have encountered in any online game. That makes us proud and you, the community, should be proud as well. It is something that is not to be taken granted and we thank everyone heartily who works on it to keep it that way.

As in every game there is plenty of conflict (built in through the game’s mechanics and also emergent), but we strongly think that these conflicts should be solved within the game’s mechanics.

I urge everyone to take a deep breath, sit back and focus on the future, leaving this dark chapter behind.

Please also do not make the mistake of drawing conclusions about a group/corporation based on the behavior of individuals.

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